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Macro N Cheese

Macro N Cheese

Luoja: Steven D Grumbine

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of MMT or Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issue...

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Ep 361 - Discernment in the Age of Disinformation with Andy Lee Roth & Shealeigh Voitl

Ep 361 - Discernment in the Age of Disinformation with Andy Lee Roth & Shealeigh Voitl

Shealeigh Voitl and Andy Lee Roth join Steve to talk about Project Censored’s State of the Free Press 2025. The book – an annual publication – compile...

2026-01-03 14:30:00 56:14
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Ep 360 - Care Theory of Value with Emma Holten

Ep 360 - Care Theory of Value with Emma Holten

Let’s face it, even “good” macro talk can fall into the trap of treating the economy like a tidy spreadsheet while real lives get crushed in the margi...

2025-12-27 14:30:00 01:02:50
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Ep 359 - Epstein: Power, Corruption & Media Complicity with Nolan Higdon

Ep 359 - Epstein: Power, Corruption & Media Complicity with Nolan Higdon

For a masterclass in true bipartisanship, look no further than the guest list of Jeffrey Epstein! We all love a good conspiracy story, but it’s often...

2025-12-20 14:30:00 01:08:04
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Ep 358 - Now Is the Time of Monsters: Gramsci on Counterrevolution with Vijay Prashad

Ep 358 - Now Is the Time of Monsters: Gramsci on Counterrevolution with Vijay Prashad

Historian and journalist Vijay Prashad talks with Steve about why Antonio Gramsci still matters. 
Listeners to this podcast know that we have a...

2025-12-13 14:30:00 01:07:33
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Ep 357 - Socialism with Chinese Characteristics with Yan Liang

Ep 357 - Socialism with Chinese Characteristics with Yan Liang

In today’s world, anyone serious about anti-imperialism, global development, and monetary sovereignty needs to break through the well-funded US propag...

2025-12-06 14:30:00 01:11:33
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Ep 356 - Scotland's Economic Suicide Pact? with Will Thomson

Ep 356 - Scotland's Economic Suicide Pact? with Will Thomson

Steve and his guest, Scottish political economist William Thomson, use the fight over Scotland’s independence to dissect how class power hides inside...

2025-11-29 14:30:00 01:07:01
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Ep 355 - Dialectics of Dominance with Aaron Good

Ep 355 - Dialectics of Dominance with Aaron Good

“We’re at an inflection point – a civilizational crisis. Western imperial dominance is ending, and its dying spasms are only accelerating the collapse...

2025-11-22 14:30:00 01:06:33
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Ep 354 - The Fed As a Weapon of Class Power with L. Randall Wray

Ep 354 - The Fed As a Weapon of Class Power with L. Randall Wray

Randy: “We’re supposed to believe the central bank manages inflation by using interest rates?" 
Steve: “It’s ridiculous.” 
L. Randall Wray...

2025-11-15 14:30:00 55:39
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Ep 353 - Dollars for Oligarchs, Austerity for Argentina with Daniel Kostzer

Ep 353 - Dollars for Oligarchs, Austerity for Argentina with Daniel Kostzer

** Want to take a deeper dive into this podcast? Join us on Tuesday evenings for Macro ‘n Chill, where we listen to the most recent episode together....

2025-11-08 14:30:00 01:00:01
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Ep 352 - Nothing to Hide with Heidi Boghosian

Ep 352 - Nothing to Hide with Heidi Boghosian

Heidi Boghosian is an attorney, author, and co-host of Law and Disorder podcast and radio show. She joins Steve to discuss how the US surveillance sta...

2025-11-01 13:30:00 01:00:02
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Ep 351 - Born on Third Base with Steve Hall

Ep 351 - Born on Third Base with Steve Hall

The two Steves – Hall and Grumbine – get together to dismantle the myth of the self-made man, exposing it as a centuries-old political weapon designed...

2025-10-25 14:30:00 59:54
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Ep 350 - Naked Corruption with Bill Black

Ep 350 - Naked Corruption with Bill Black

Do you know what kakistocracy means? You’ll find out in this episode with guest Bill Black. Because, yeah, this is an educational podcast. A lot of us...

2025-10-18 14:30:00 01:00:29
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Ep 349 - Cultural Syndromes of Capitalism with David Fields

Ep 349 - Cultural Syndromes of Capitalism with David Fields

**This week’s Macro ‘n Chill gathering should be a lively one. Whenever we dive into the topic of cultural hegemony, it sparks a thoughtful discussion...

2025-10-11 14:30:00 57:59
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Ep 348 - Gaza: Digital Colonialism & Resistance with Omar Zahzah

Ep 348 - Gaza: Digital Colonialism & Resistance with Omar Zahzah

The Palestinian liberation struggle is a fundamental class and anti-colonial issue. First-time guest to the podcast, Professor Omar Zahzah, talks with...

2025-10-04 14:30:00 59:10
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Ep 347 - Libertarianism vs. Reality with Brett Scott

Ep 347 - Libertarianism vs. Reality with Brett Scott

Economic anthropologist Brett Scott, the author of Cloud Money, talks with Steve about libertarianism’s big lie. Or lies – plural.
From a class...

2025-09-27 14:30:00 56:26
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Ep 346 - MMT: Why Our Allies Ignore Us with Yeva Nersisyan

Ep 346 - MMT: Why Our Allies Ignore Us with Yeva Nersisyan

** You are invited to attend Macro ‘n Chill, our community building online gathering where we discuss the current episode of the podcast. Tuesday, Sep...

2025-09-20 14:30:00 01:07:53
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Ep 345 - Argentina: IMF, MMT, Class Warfare with Daniel Conceição

Ep 345 - Argentina: IMF, MMT, Class Warfare with Daniel Conceição

Our friend Daniel Conceição is back for his sixth(!) time on Macro N Cheese. He and Steve share their critique of "neutral" or academic MMT that avoid...

2025-09-13 05:30:00 01:07:33
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Ep 344 - The Unstable Genius Act with Bob Hockett

Ep 344 - The Unstable Genius Act with Bob Hockett

** Tuesday evening, Bob will join our weekly online gathering where we’ll listen to the podcast together and discuss. Bring your questions for him. Se...

2025-09-06 05:30:00 01:14:00
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Ep 343 - Imports Are A Benefit, Exports Are A Cost? with William Mitchell

Ep 343 - Imports Are A Benefit, Exports Are A Cost? with William Mitchell

In our 14th episode with Australian economist Bill Mitchell, the conversation focuses on the MMT perspective on international trade. Bill explains wha...

2025-08-30 05:30:00 58:04
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Ep 342 - From Corbyn to Palestine: an MMT Analysis with Chris Williamson

Ep 342 - From Corbyn to Palestine: an MMT Analysis with Chris Williamson

**Be sure to subscribe to our Substack. It costs you nothing to have all our new content delivered to straight to your inbox!  https://realprogressive...

2025-08-23 05:30:00 01:13:02
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Ep 341 - AI's Hidden Thirst with Erald Kolasi

Ep 341 - AI's Hidden Thirst with Erald Kolasi

Our friend, physicist and economist Erald Kolasi, stops by the Macro N Cheese clubhouse to talk with Steve about the profound effects of AI on the ene...

2025-08-16 05:30:00 01:07:28
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Ep 340 - Humanode: One Person, One Vote with Victor Vernissage

Ep 340 - Humanode: One Person, One Vote with Victor Vernissage

**Our weekly online gathering, Macro ‘n Chill is the perfect place to discuss this week’s episode, especially since it includes terminology you might...

2025-08-09 05:30:00 52:35
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Ep 339 - Sociocide with Charles Derber

Ep 339 - Sociocide with Charles Derber

Charles Derber, a sociology professor at Boston College, talks with Steve about his book, 'Bonfire: American Sociocide, Broken Relations and the Quest...

2025-08-02 05:30:00 01:04:58
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Ep 338 - Can Deliberation Cure the Ills of Democracy? with James Fishkin

Ep 338 - Can Deliberation Cure the Ills of Democracy? with James Fishkin

If we had the power to design our own political system, what would it look like? 
Stanford Professor James Fishkin talks with Steve about delibe...

2025-07-26 05:30:00 01:01:02
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Ep 337 - The Overdose Economy with Charles LeBaron

Ep 337 - The Overdose Economy with Charles LeBaron

Dr. Charles LeBaron is a retired CDC scientist and the author of Greed to Do Good: The Untold Story of CDC's Disastrous War on Opioids. He talks with...

2025-07-19 05:30:00 01:04:42
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Ep 336 - MMT101 with Jim Byrne

Ep 336 - MMT101 with Jim Byrne

**You’re invited to join us Tuesday evening for Macro ‘n Chill, an online gathering where we can listen to and talk about this episode. Tuesday July 1...

2025-07-12 05:30:00 57:11
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Ep 335 - Bonding Against Austerity: Can States Offset Federal Cuts? with Ben Wilson & Scott Ferguson

Ep 335 - Bonding Against Austerity: Can States Offset Federal Cuts? with Ben Wilson & Scott Ferguson

**Tuesday evenings, we host an online listening party, Macro ‘n Chill, to discuss the current episode. It’s a great way to get to know other members o...

2025-07-05 05:30:00 01:13:55
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Ep 334 - MMT for the Proles

Ep 334 - MMT for the Proles

Part of our mission is to introduce MMTers to socialism and socialists to MMT. We’ve had a few metaphorical doors slammed in our faces along the way....

2025-06-28 05:30:00 01:16:27
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Ep 333 - DisElderly Conduct with Judy Karofsky

Ep 333 - DisElderly Conduct with Judy Karofsky

If civilizations are judged by how they care for their elderly, our report card is already written. Should there be anyone left to judge us – should h...

2025-06-21 05:30:00 57:53
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Ep 332 - The Red Thread: A History of Socialist Tradition with C. Derick Varn - Part 2

Ep 332 - The Red Thread: A History of Socialist Tradition with C. Derick Varn - Part 2

**On Tuesday evening, C. Derick Varn will join us AGAIN for Macro ‘n Chill, our weekly community gathering. While listening to this episode, we will h...

2025-06-14 05:15:00 01:07:14
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Ep 331 - The Red Thread: A History of Socialist Tradition with C. Derick Varn - Part 1

Ep 331 - The Red Thread: A History of Socialist Tradition with C. Derick Varn - Part 1

**This Tuesday evening, C. Derick Varn will join us for Macro ‘n Chill, our weekly community gathering. While listening to this episode, folks will ha...

2025-06-07 05:00:00 01:04:39
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Ep 330 - Money, Power, and the People with Christopher Shaw

Ep 330 - Money, Power, and the People with Christopher Shaw

There's an oft-repeated Chris Hedges quote that goes: “I do not fight fascists because I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists.” Well,...

2025-05-31 05:00:00 01:08:05
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Ep 329 - Stage IV Terminal Capitalism with Hamza Hamouchene

Ep 329 - Stage IV Terminal Capitalism with Hamza Hamouchene

The podcast focuses on the critical need to address the root causes of health and environmental crises, emphasizing that many diseases, including canc...

2025-05-24 05:30:00 01:14:17
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Ep 328 - Trade Route China with Carl Zha

Ep 328 - Trade Route China with Carl Zha

This episode features sharp commentary on the current geopolitical landscape, exploring why China continues to thrive despite the chaotic shifting of...

2025-05-17 05:30:00 56:55
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Ep 327 - Isolation with Bill Mitchell

Ep 327 - Isolation with Bill Mitchell

As difficult as it is to get a handle on the chaos and confusion of Trump’s shifting policies, we continue to ask wise friends for their perspective....

2025-05-10 05:30:00 55:34
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Ep 326 - AI in the Sky: Modern Warfare with Peter Byrne

Ep 326 - AI in the Sky: Modern Warfare with Peter Byrne

The past year has seen lots of discussion of the ‘human’ nature of AI. Programs like ChatGPT were writing poetry, engaging in debates, and roasting us...

2025-05-03 05:30:00 58:58
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Ep 325 - Tariffs, Tooth Fairies & Trade with Fadhel Kaboub

Ep 325 - Tariffs, Tooth Fairies & Trade with Fadhel Kaboub

Like most media nowadays, we seek to make sense of the confusing, contradictory, and often absurd Trump policies. So of course we turn to our best fri...

2025-04-26 05:30:00 01:03:58
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Ep 324 - Modern Money Awakenings with Tracy Carson

Ep 324 - Modern Money Awakenings with Tracy Carson

This week’s episode comes from Steve’s recent appearance on The Tracy Show, where he was invited to talk about MMT with host Tracy Carson, who had som...

2025-04-19 05:30:00 01:08:10
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Ep 323 - The Physics of Capitalism with Erald Kolasi

Ep 323 - The Physics of Capitalism with Erald Kolasi

Erald Kolasi joins Steve to talk about his book, The Physics of Capitalism. Erald’s interdisciplinary approach merges economics, technology, energy, a...

2025-04-12 05:30:00 01:17:45
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Ep 322 - Eggsploitation with Basel Musharbash

Ep 322 - Eggsploitation with Basel Musharbash

Crazy things have been going on with the price of eggs, especially in the US. If you think this is happening because of the avian flu, you’ve been hoo...

2025-04-05 05:30:00 52:33
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